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		<title>By: Rita Schwab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rita Schwab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that there are no easy answers to this, unfortunately not so infrequent, problem.  But the following story, which I heard a few years ago at a credentialing seminar, is worth thinking about.

The speaker was a physician involved with his state&#039;s physician impairment program.  He related that while in his residency he was called in late one night to care for a patient because the attending doctor showed up drunk.

Concerned for the attending physician, he approached a senior member of the medical staff the next day and asked what could be done to help him.  

&quot;Don&#039;t worry about him&quot; came the reply. &quot;As soon as we get one more documented instance we&#039;re getting rid of him.&quot;

Of course, that documentation soon followed and the physician was dismissed.  Several months later he died from an alcohol overdose.

The speaker said that experience led him to a life-long commitment to finding ways to help physicians in trouble, particularly those dealing with substance abuse issues.

Physicians have a higher-than-average rate of addiction. About 15% of them suffer from some form of it at some time in their lives. They also have a phenomenal rate of success with treatment.  Statistics indicate that between 80 and 90 percent recover and learn to live sober.

So report the matter?  Absolutely.  I agree that it should be reported both to hospital administration and to the state medical board.  A practitioner who drinks on the job is not safe and should not be permitted to care for patients.  

However, in the process let&#039;s not forget that we&#039;re dealing with a valuable human being who needs help and may well be willing to accept it and get better.

Rita Schwab, CPCS, CPMSM
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that there are no easy answers to this, unfortunately not so infrequent, problem.  But the following story, which I heard a few years ago at a credentialing seminar, is worth thinking about.</p>
<p>The speaker was a physician involved with his state&#8217;s physician impairment program.  He related that while in his residency he was called in late one night to care for a patient because the attending doctor showed up drunk.</p>
<p>Concerned for the attending physician, he approached a senior member of the medical staff the next day and asked what could be done to help him.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t worry about him&#8221; came the reply. &#8220;As soon as we get one more documented instance we&#8217;re getting rid of him.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, that documentation soon followed and the physician was dismissed.  Several months later he died from an alcohol overdose.</p>
<p>The speaker said that experience led him to a life-long commitment to finding ways to help physicians in trouble, particularly those dealing with substance abuse issues.</p>
<p>Physicians have a higher-than-average rate of addiction. About 15% of them suffer from some form of it at some time in their lives. They also have a phenomenal rate of success with treatment.  Statistics indicate that between 80 and 90 percent recover and learn to live sober.</p>
<p>So report the matter?  Absolutely.  I agree that it should be reported both to hospital administration and to the state medical board.  A practitioner who drinks on the job is not safe and should not be permitted to care for patients.  </p>
<p>However, in the process let&#8217;s not forget that we&#8217;re dealing with a valuable human being who needs help and may well be willing to accept it and get better.</p>
<p>Rita Schwab, CPCS, CPMSM<br />
MSSPNexus Blog<br />
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		<title>By: Dr Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The proper route in most cases for suspected MD impairment is through the state impaired physicians program, (or the hospital&#039;s, if they have one). Most states have such bodies to my knowledge. The report is confidential and anonymous, and they can see if any other similar reports are on file. Medical disciplinary boards are an unenlightened lot--and if this is a mistaken assessment (ie, the doc is &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; impaired), you just created a nightmare for an innocent doc whose career and reputation will be ruined.

The one exception I would make to this is immediate patient endangerment, eg, a surgeon shows up obviously drunk to the OR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The proper route in most cases for suspected MD impairment is through the state impaired physicians program, (or the hospital&#8217;s, if they have one). Most states have such bodies to my knowledge. The report is confidential and anonymous, and they can see if any other similar reports are on file. Medical disciplinary boards are an unenlightened lot&#8211;and if this is a mistaken assessment (ie, the doc is <em>not</em> impaired), you just created a nightmare for an innocent doc whose career and reputation will be ruined.</p>
<p>The one exception I would make to this is immediate patient endangerment, eg, a surgeon shows up obviously drunk to the OR.</p>
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		<title>By: DrTony</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrTony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard to judge whether it would have done any good to talk to the ER charge nurse that morning. Don&#039;t you think she knew what was going on?

I might have asked to speak to the nursing supervisor or the administrator on call. In our hospital, there is a roaming nurse who is &quot;in charge&quot; at night and there is an administrator on call who could have come in to make their own observations.

A letter now is better than nothing. If it is the only thing that ever shows up in this guy&#039;s file, then nothing will happen. But what if 20 people that month smelled it, and all 20 wrote in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to judge whether it would have done any good to talk to the ER charge nurse that morning. Don&#8217;t you think she knew what was going on?</p>
<p>I might have asked to speak to the nursing supervisor or the administrator on call. In our hospital, there is a roaming nurse who is &#8220;in charge&#8221; at night and there is an administrator on call who could have come in to make their own observations.</p>
<p>A letter now is better than nothing. If it is the only thing that ever shows up in this guy&#8217;s file, then nothing will happen. But what if 20 people that month smelled it, and all 20 wrote in?</p>
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		<title>By: ds</title>
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		<dc:creator>ds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work at a hospital where the nursing supervisor on evenings was constantly drunk; one night she was so drunk she fell over and fractured her humerus...got 3 months of workman&#039;s comp. Everyone employee in the hospital knows she drinks on the job, she has been suspended in the past. I complained about her several times, for her drinking and her incompetence....I was labeled a &quot;complainer&quot;....Bottom line is, she still works there, I don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work at a hospital where the nursing supervisor on evenings was constantly drunk; one night she was so drunk she fell over and fractured her humerus&#8230;got 3 months of workman&#8217;s comp. Everyone employee in the hospital knows she drinks on the job, she has been suspended in the past. I complained about her several times, for her drinking and her incompetence&#8230;.I was labeled a &#8220;complainer&#8221;&#8230;.Bottom line is, she still works there, I don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: TheNewGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheNewGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the doc&#039;s drinking on the job, he needs to be out of there... period.

I&#039;ve known several impaired physicians... none of which I EVER suspected at the time.  In retrospect, some of their erratic behavior fits the pattern, but at the time I just felt they were eccentric.

It&#039;s hard enough working when you&#039;re not at the top of your game, whether from circadian dysrhythmia, or illness (I&#039;ve worked a few shifts with an IV in my arm).  In those cases, you do what you have to do to endure those things that aren&#039;t within your control... but there is no excuse for cheating your patients of your best by engaging in substance abuse on the job.

This doc needs to go get some help, and he may require an &quot;intervention&quot; by the hospital to push him in that direction.  Either way, it serves neither the patient, nor the physician to keep silent about the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the doc&#8217;s drinking on the job, he needs to be out of there&#8230; period.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve known several impaired physicians&#8230; none of which I EVER suspected at the time.  In retrospect, some of their erratic behavior fits the pattern, but at the time I just felt they were eccentric.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard enough working when you&#8217;re not at the top of your game, whether from circadian dysrhythmia, or illness (I&#8217;ve worked a few shifts with an IV in my arm).  In those cases, you do what you have to do to endure those things that aren&#8217;t within your control&#8230; but there is no excuse for cheating your patients of your best by engaging in substance abuse on the job.</p>
<p>This doc needs to go get some help, and he may require an &#8220;intervention&#8221; by the hospital to push him in that direction.  Either way, it serves neither the patient, nor the physician to keep silent about the matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Downey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Downey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A doctor practicing while impaired with
alcohol or drugs is a bad outcome
waiting to happen.
Along with contacting the hospital, I 
would file a complaint with the state
medical board or agency that regulates
MDs in your state.  A doctor who shows
up drunk or with alcohol on his breath
would be guilty of unprofessional 
conduct.  He would likely have to 
have an evaluation to determine if he 
had an alcohol problem.  And he would be
subject to disciplinary action. As a 
result, he would probably be placed on
probation (if this was his first
offense) and have to participate in 
some form of monitored aftercare program.
Not only does this doctor need help, 
but he also represents an imminent
danger to public health and safety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A doctor practicing while impaired with<br />
alcohol or drugs is a bad outcome<br />
waiting to happen.<br />
Along with contacting the hospital, I<br />
would file a complaint with the state<br />
medical board or agency that regulates<br />
MDs in your state.  A doctor who shows<br />
up drunk or with alcohol on his breath<br />
would be guilty of unprofessional<br />
conduct.  He would likely have to<br />
have an evaluation to determine if he<br />
had an alcohol problem.  And he would be<br />
subject to disciplinary action. As a<br />
result, he would probably be placed on<br />
probation (if this was his first<br />
offense) and have to participate in<br />
some form of monitored aftercare program.<br />
Not only does this doctor need help,<br />
but he also represents an imminent<br />
danger to public health and safety.</p>
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		<title>By: Bad Shift</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bad Shift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 04:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an obsessive and excessive user of soap-free alcohol hand wash, I have been (jokingly) accused of sipping vodka on the job.  This patient probably smelled Scotch on the doctor&#039;s breath, but the possibility of a false positive must be considered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an obsessive and excessive user of soap-free alcohol hand wash, I have been (jokingly) accused of sipping vodka on the job.  This patient probably smelled Scotch on the doctor&#8217;s breath, but the possibility of a false positive must be considered.</p>
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		<title>By: cardioNP</title>
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		<dc:creator>cardioNP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If going through the chain of command at the hospital is a dead end, what about filing a complaint directly with the state medical board?  Actually, I think I would consider doing both - writing the hospital administration as well as the medical board and include the &quot;cc&quot; to the medical board on the bottom of the letter to the administration.  That way they may feel more compelled to pursue the allegation and evaluate the physician for EtOHism and get him the appropriate tx if he does have a substance abuse issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If going through the chain of command at the hospital is a dead end, what about filing a complaint directly with the state medical board?  Actually, I think I would consider doing both &#8211; writing the hospital administration as well as the medical board and include the &#8220;cc&#8221; to the medical board on the bottom of the letter to the administration.  That way they may feel more compelled to pursue the allegation and evaluate the physician for EtOHism and get him the appropriate tx if he does have a substance abuse issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Goat Whacker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goat Whacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy, tough one.  I think maybe not doing anything at the time was the best bet.   Not much is going to happen at 5 AM in any hospital I&#039;ve ever worked at.  If the doc was obviously impaired that&#039;s a different story, you should ask the nurse who you could talk to about it right then.

But since there&#039;s a delay, I would recommend calling the hospital&#039;s administration office, say you have a concern about a physician, and  ask to either speak or write directly to either the departmental chairman or chief of staff, with a copy or call to the one you&#039;re not writing directly to.  You may be told to write a complaint letter which depending on the hospital may work wonderfully or be totally useless, so I think writing to a couple of docs with some responsibility would be a better bet.  If the one doc knows you wrote to the other they will be much more likely to check it out.

I have no idea as to legal liability but I would think notifying a hospital of a possible impaired physician would be a fairly safe thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, tough one.  I think maybe not doing anything at the time was the best bet.   Not much is going to happen at 5 AM in any hospital I&#8217;ve ever worked at.  If the doc was obviously impaired that&#8217;s a different story, you should ask the nurse who you could talk to about it right then.</p>
<p>But since there&#8217;s a delay, I would recommend calling the hospital&#8217;s administration office, say you have a concern about a physician, and  ask to either speak or write directly to either the departmental chairman or chief of staff, with a copy or call to the one you&#8217;re not writing directly to.  You may be told to write a complaint letter which depending on the hospital may work wonderfully or be totally useless, so I think writing to a couple of docs with some responsibility would be a better bet.  If the one doc knows you wrote to the other they will be much more likely to check it out.</p>
<p>I have no idea as to legal liability but I would think notifying a hospital of a possible impaired physician would be a fairly safe thing to do.</p>
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