Comments on: Patient with gun shot dead in ED http://gruntdoc.com/2009/08/patient-with-gun-shot-dead-in-ed.html Ramblings of an Emergency Physician in Texas Sat, 12 May 2012 12:36:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: GruntDoc http://gruntdoc.com/2009/08/patient-with-gun-shot-dead-in-ed.html/comment-page-1#comment-19436 GruntDoc Thu, 03 Sep 2009 02:25:52 +0000 http://gruntdoc.com/2009/08/patient-with-gun-shot-dead-in-ed.html#comment-19436 I knew that, actually. My assumption that concealed carry in hospitals was illegal was from my Texas experience (Texas hospitals don't have to post 30.06 signs technically, as hospitals are expressly forbidden zones in the law). And of course, you're right. I've been a little surprised I've only taken a couple of knives off patients since returning in 2001. Kudos to EMS for doing good pat downs. I knew that, actually. My assumption that concealed carry in hospitals was illegal was from my Texas experience (Texas hospitals don’t have to post 30.06 signs technically, as hospitals are expressly forbidden zones in the law).

And of course, you’re right. I’ve been a little surprised I’ve only taken a couple of knives off patients since returning in 2001. Kudos to EMS for doing good pat downs.

]]> By: Eric http://gruntdoc.com/2009/08/patient-with-gun-shot-dead-in-ed.html/comment-page-1#comment-19435 Eric Thu, 03 Sep 2009 02:21:56 +0000 http://gruntdoc.com/2009/08/patient-with-gun-shot-dead-in-ed.html#comment-19435 OK, I am late to the party, but... GruntDoc, I'm surprised to learn you don't know that concealed handgun carry with a license is legal in Texas as well. A private hospital can post 30.06 signs to legally prevent it, and hospitals that are part of university systems/campuses are arguably off limits under the law, but otherwise, no. Of course, the law does nothing to prevent criminals from bringing a gun in... OK, I am late to the party, but… GruntDoc, I’m surprised to learn you don’t know that concealed handgun carry with a license is legal in Texas as well. A private hospital can post 30.06 signs to legally prevent it, and hospitals that are part of university systems/campuses are arguably off limits under the law, but otherwise, no.

Of course, the law does nothing to prevent criminals from bringing a gun in…

]]> By: aidian http://gruntdoc.com/2009/08/patient-with-gun-shot-dead-in-ed.html/comment-page-1#comment-19310 aidian Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:24:31 +0000 http://gruntdoc.com/2009/08/patient-with-gun-shot-dead-in-ed.html#comment-19310 Why did the PD confiscated the victims long arms? I don't know what they'll write up, but the answer is, because they were in Seattle. I say this as a blue-state native and gun owner. Why did the PD confiscated the victims long arms? I don’t know what they’ll write up, but the answer is, because they were in Seattle. I say this as a blue-state native and gun owner.

]]> By: Janis http://gruntdoc.com/2009/08/patient-with-gun-shot-dead-in-ed.html/comment-page-1#comment-19283 Janis Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:43:38 +0000 http://gruntdoc.com/2009/08/patient-with-gun-shot-dead-in-ed.html#comment-19283 I didn't watch the video, but I am wondering if the patient got to the ED via police or ambulance. Either way, someone failed to pat him down before he was transported. He'd have never made it into my rig without being searched (however, I know medics who would overlook this detail.) I didn’t watch the video, but I am wondering if the patient got to the ED via police or ambulance. Either way, someone failed to pat him down before he was transported. He’d have never made it into my rig without being searched (however, I know medics who would overlook this detail.)

]]> By: TheNewGuy http://gruntdoc.com/2009/08/patient-with-gun-shot-dead-in-ed.html/comment-page-1#comment-19271 TheNewGuy Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:49:56 +0000 http://gruntdoc.com/2009/08/patient-with-gun-shot-dead-in-ed.html#comment-19271 Hmmm. Gotta be more to this story. And I agree with the Taser-in-the-ER proposal; every department should have one. Hmmm. Gotta be more to this story.

And I agree with the Taser-in-the-ER proposal; every department should have one.

]]> By: Mule Breath http://gruntdoc.com/2009/08/patient-with-gun-shot-dead-in-ed.html/comment-page-1#comment-19261 Mule Breath Tue, 18 Aug 2009 02:15:31 +0000 http://gruntdoc.com/2009/08/patient-with-gun-shot-dead-in-ed.html#comment-19261 There appears to be many mistakes made in this tale. What is the deal with the dude himself? Psych patient or what? Known perp? New presentation? Why were firearms removed from the owner's residence for "safekeeping"? Were they illegal arms? Was the owner not a legal owner? If officers found two handguns on the dude in the ED, but not the 3rd, what is the deal with that? If I were their chief I'd have them on the carpet. Goodness! This is a story needing a whole lot of investigation. There appears to be many mistakes made in this tale. What is the deal with the dude himself? Psych patient or what? Known perp? New presentation?

Why were firearms removed from the owner’s residence for “safekeeping”? Were they illegal arms? Was the owner not a legal owner?

If officers found two handguns on the dude in the ED, but not the 3rd, what is the deal with that? If I were their chief I’d have them on the carpet.

Goodness! This is a story needing a whole lot of investigation.

]]> By: CHenry http://gruntdoc.com/2009/08/patient-with-gun-shot-dead-in-ed.html/comment-page-1#comment-19260 CHenry Tue, 18 Aug 2009 02:06:41 +0000 http://gruntdoc.com/2009/08/patient-with-gun-shot-dead-in-ed.html#comment-19260 Now that calls for a couple of baton rounds. Now that calls for a couple of baton rounds.

]]> By: GruntDoc http://gruntdoc.com/2009/08/patient-with-gun-shot-dead-in-ed.html/comment-page-1#comment-19255 GruntDoc Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:36:48 +0000 http://gruntdoc.com/2009/08/patient-with-gun-shot-dead-in-ed.html#comment-19255 I'm for tasers in the ED (in the hands of a trained LEO, who also has escalation beyond that), but bringing a taser to a gunfight sounds like a losing proposition. I’m for tasers in the ED (in the hands of a trained LEO, who also has escalation beyond that), but bringing a taser to a gunfight sounds like a losing proposition.

]]> By: Glen in Texas http://gruntdoc.com/2009/08/patient-with-gun-shot-dead-in-ed.html/comment-page-1#comment-19253 Glen in Texas Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:04:05 +0000 http://gruntdoc.com/2009/08/patient-with-gun-shot-dead-in-ed.html#comment-19253 To me this is an excellent example of when a Taser would be useful. It is to no ones benefit for staff to fight with a patient. When force is neeed, a Taser is best choice. It is quik, and low risk to staff. Sometimes deadly force is needed, but in a hospital setting, other options need to be at hand. To me this is an excellent example of when a Taser would be useful.

It is to no ones benefit for staff to fight with a patient.

When force is neeed, a Taser is best choice. It is quik, and low risk to staff.

Sometimes deadly force is needed, but in a hospital setting, other options need to be at hand.

]]> By: Ross http://gruntdoc.com/2009/08/patient-with-gun-shot-dead-in-ed.html/comment-page-1#comment-19249 Ross Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:05:57 +0000 http://gruntdoc.com/2009/08/patient-with-gun-shot-dead-in-ed.html#comment-19249 <a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009669303_webpoliceshootman15m.html" rel="nofollow"> about the shooting in Olympia, Wa.</a> This isn't a big city hospital but this type of thing could happen anywhere. Fortunately the patient was the only causality. <a href="http://allbleedingstops.blogspot.com/2009/08/man-pulls-gun-in-er-killed-by-police.html" rel="nofollow"> (two hours up the road) </a>has a reminder posted too. about the shooting in Olympia, Wa. This isn’t a big city hospital but this type of thing could happen anywhere. Fortunately the patient was the only causality. (two hours up the road) has a reminder posted too.

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